Round 5 actions and grappling questions
Subject Round 5 actions
Kal will try to attack the gargoyle that's wrestling with Mund if he can get a clear shot.
From: Kevin
Subject Round 5 actions
Harp watches as the gargoyle slides to the ground, its grey blood flowing from the wounds in its chest. These things might be hard to see originally, but once you knew where they were, they were not so tough. Well, if you had the right weapon, as he and Kal obviously did. Harp then turns his attention to the enemy behind him. He turns where he is, just in time to see Mund tackle the beast that was on Harp's flank. Well done, Mund, Harp thinks to himself. He then watches Mund take a jump and land on the creatures chest. Having been in Mund's grasp before, Harp winces slightly at the memory. But, this time, things seem to turn out differently. Mund lands, and instead of crushing the wind out of the gargoyle, it looks like Mund bounces off of a rock. Maybe Salix's warning about enchanted weapons even applied when wrestling with these things. In that case, Mund would be in trouble.
"Mund, let go of it, and let Kal and I finish it off!!" Harp shouts, hoping that Mund will be able to recognize his voice and under tand the warning. Harp looks on, tyring to find an opportunity to strike without hitting Mund.
OOC: Mark, is there a way to randomly determine if an acceptable opening presents itself? Harp wants to attack but does not want to harm Mund. If there is a way to play that under the rules, OK. If not, Harp will try to Aid Mund (but I want to keep my initiative place). Make sense??
From: Mark
Subject Round 5 actions
Clear shot at the gargoyle or Mund? :)
From: Randy
Subject Round 5 actions
Ranthir will back off, allowing the others to finish the job. He will join Surin and Salix.
From: Porter
Subject Round 5 actions
OK, I'll have Mund do a full withdrawl and let Harp and Kal deal with it.
OOC: If I knew about the rules change, I wouldn't have begun a grapple in the first place. My entire strategy was to pin the creature, making it easy for everybody else to to kill it.
From: Derek
Subject Round 5 actions
Allistair is glad to see that the worst of the battle has passed, and not it's only clean-up on the remaining gargoyle that Mund was fighting. Allistair seriously doubted that Mund could kill it since it is immune to non-magical weapons, but he sure was giving it a difficult time.
"Although I myself am curious to see how much effect Mund can have on this magical creature, I think it will just become a battle of endurance that Mund will eventually lose because of his inability to directly hurt it. Perhaps if Harp, Ran, and/or Ragnar each grabbed a leg or arm, it would probably be much easier for Kal or someone else to do the coup de grace. It may not be very sporting, but this is hardly a game that we're playing at."
From: Mark
Subject Round 5 actions
I am going to ask some people I know about the idea of people armed with weapons attacking a grappled person who is pinned.
I am open to the idea of it being possible but want to get some more input.
From: Josh
Subject Round 5 actions
I Just realized Kal is acting before Mund, and would have to attack before Mund could release the thing.
Kal's going to attack the gargoyle either way, but will give Mund a chance to get away from it first. (Delay turn until after Mund)
From: Porter
Subject Round 5 actions
If you'll allow a clear attack at somebody being pinned, then I want Mund to keep the pin.
From: Josh
Subject Round 5 actions
Oh, yea. If you're allowing clear attacks (and Kal knows he'll be able to get one off safely) then Kal will just attack with his normal initiative.
From: Kevin
Subject Round 5 actions
Mark, depending on your resolution to the grapple question, Harp will move to where he will flank Mund and the gargoyle with Kal (Kal on one side, Harp on the other). I think the plan is that if we can attack with little or no chance of hitting Mund, Kal and Harp will, if they cannot, they will "hold action" to allow Mund to release the grapple and then they will both attack.
From: Mark
Subject Grappling
Ok I have a little more research to do but I think I have the basics.
Any one attacking a pinned creature with anything other than a light weapon, attacks with a -4. If you have a light weapon there is not penalty.
The creature, however, will have a minus to his AC due to the grapple. He will, at the min, lose any DEX bonus, and might have as much as a -4 in addition to losing his DEX bonus.
From: Kevin
Subject Round 5 actions
With apologizes to Josh for making the following assumptions -
Mark, I will defer to your final determination, with the following limits - Harp and Kal will try to flank the two grappling. If they think they can get in a good strike without hurting Mund, they will - if not, they will wait for Mund to break the grapple. As much as both of them would not mind "accidentally" hitting Mund, Kal is probably too "lawful" to do so in such a way and Harp is too good to do such a thing. Kal and Harp are more focused on just killing the bad things.
Within those basic guidelines, I think you have some flexibility to work within whatever determination you finally come to.