Turn, weapons, Grappling and Onward
Subject Turn
Ok guys, I am at home sick today but I can write.
I need to know what the party is going to do? How much healing, if any, who is doing what?
From: Karl
Subject Turn
Salix is ready to investigate the next door.
I'm on vacation from this Friday afternoon, until Tuesday after Memorial Day. I will be out of town (CA) and will have no reliable access to a computer. Kevin, can you play Salix for me for that week? (And Porter, if he gets Salix killed can you have Mund whack Harp in his sleep?).
From: Porter
Subject Turn
I'm not sure I heard you correctly. Did you ask me to kill Kal or Harp in their sleep? Well, I'll just have to kill them both to make sure.
From: Kevin
Subject Turn
I did not realize that hearing was a skill affected by a low intelligence score.
Karl, I will do the best I can to make Salix a living, productive member of the group.
Have a good time.
From: Kevin
Subject The next room
Mark, I think we are going to take a peek in the next door before we decided what to do, even as related to healing. The doors seem to have been an effective barrier so far, so the group will continue on that assumption. I think Ran and Mund will open the door, with Kal and Harp behind them. If the room is dark, we close the door, Harp and Ragnar move up to use darkvision.
From: Karl
Subject turn
Thanks Kevin. Bear in mind this only starts on Friday afternoon. I can handle him until then.
From: Mark
Subject The next room
Ok as is obvious to everyone there is likely a combat coming up, so I want a list of what weapons, if any your character has out.
Marching order is Mund and Surin, Kal and Ranthir. About 20 feet behind them is Ragar and Harp, with Salix and Allistair bringing up the rear.
From: Porter
Subject Weapons
Mund's got his crappy non-magic axe out.
A kopesh! My kingdom for a +1 kopesh!
From: Randy
SubjectWeapons
And my sword!
From: Porter
SubjectWeapons
:laugh:
From: Mark
Subject Weapons
You know your the one who wanted the Mithral breast plate and the +2 ring. You could have taken a +1 axe, but nooooooo. :)
From: Porter
Subject Feats
I've now taken improved grappling, which is what I should have given Mund in the first place instead of Improved Unarmed Strike.
Looking at the rules, it appears that you can grapple with a weapon in hand, although you cannot use it to attack while grappling unless it's pretty small.
As far as I can tell, you can grapple with something in each hand, meaning that Mund wouldn't have to drop his axe nor his shield to grapple.
Do you agree with my reading of the rules?
From: Karl
Subject Weapons
Salix can pray (i.e. "cast") with his scimitar drawn, right? If so then he has it drawn. If not, then not.
From: Porter
Subject Feats
Huh. That was supposed to just go out to Mark.
In other words, here's some spam to apologize for the earlier spam.
From: Karl
Subject Feats
I don't consider game re-lated questions spam. I actually learn a lot from other people's questions, especially since I wouldn't ask them for myself or my own character. (just sayin')
From: Mark
Subject Grappling rules
Actually I do not agree with your reading.
First you feat has nothing to do with if you need your hand free or not. It just allows you to make a grapple attempt with out provoking an AOO and gives you +4 on all grapple checks. Very in character for Mund and very approriate.
However, the grapple rules say you need to grab and hold your target. Depending on the shield, a buckler for example, you would might be able to keep the shield on, but not most shields, and not any weapon in the weapon hand.
You can draw a light weapon once you have successfully grappled someone and use it to attack the grappled person.
From: Mark
Subject Onward
Back the in the main room, the party takes stock. Harp and Mund are wounded but able to function fairly well. Ragnar and Ranthir are in pretty good shape as is the rest of the party. "Ok" Harp says, lets check out the next room. Surin, Kal, Ran and Mund, would you three lead the way?" The 4 open the door to the next hallway, with the others following. The party moves down the hall, 80 feet to the east and then they turn north. 50 more feet before they head east again for another 40 feet. When the first four are about 30 feet from the door Surin motions the others to stop. He continues on, slower this time, listening to all around him. He can hear the three others, just a few feet away but their sounds start to muffle as he approaches the new door. He closes with the door and looks it over. It looks just like all the other doors he had seen in this place.
Gently putting his ear to the door, he listens intently. He can make out some muffled sounds (Listen check 5+13=18, DC?). It sounds like two people talking in common. He is unable to make out the words or the accent. He returns to the others and the party backs up about 50 feet from the door. "Two people, talking common, but I couldn't tell anything else about them.
OODM: What next?
From: Porter
Subject Grappling
You are right, this has nothing to do with the Improved Grapple feat. It's just that now that I have it, Mund's going to be even more likely to do it.
So your call is that Mund cannot having anything in either hand, correct?
From: Mark
Subject Grappling
Correct. I will allow him to have a buckler, if he had one or gets one in the future, but as I read the rules, no weapons.
However, I will do some research just to make sure.
From: Porter
Subject Grappling
Thanky kindly.
Being in a dungon where I can't buy crap sucks. <_<
From: Jason
Subject Weapons
Longsword and shield out for Ragnar.
From: Kevin
Subject Grappling
Of course, Porter, dropping a weapon is a free action that does not provoke an AOO. You just will have nothing to attack it with but your bare hands (unless you have a dagger).
From: Kevin
Subject Weapons
Ditto for the loud cranking 1/2 orc (but his is magic).
From: Kevin
Subject Updated map
Mark, any chance for an updated map?
From: Porter
Subject Grappling
I don't understand what this is a reply to. Are you talking about grappling?
From: Porter
Subject Weapons
*lonsword envy*
From: Kevin
Subject Onward
OOC: Mark, from our experience with water room, was there a crack under the door large enough to allow a small, flexible animal to slither underneath?
From: Porter
Subject Onward
We've got a pet slug?
From: Ashley
Subject Onward
*hides salt*
From: Kevin
Subject Onward
No, but somebody you know has a small pet viper that *may* be able to slither under the door, look around, get a feel for the room and then come out and talk to his owner - if his owner remembers that he had it. Wink, wink, nod, nod.
From: Derek
Subject Onward
No, but Allistair has a small snake familiar.
From: Kevin
Subject Onward
Ashley, you take the salt, **I** will take care of the beer. Just to protect the slugs, mind you.
From: Porter
Subject Onward
http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantITP/ootscript?SK=3
From: Kevin
Subject Onward
There is one later on where the bird goes to look around and gets shot.
This strip did cross my mind, but Allistair does have the little guy slithering around inside that robe of his.
It may acutally have an intelligence the same as Mund's.
From: Porter
Subject Onward
*examines sarcastometer*
*kicks it to get it running again*
From: Mark
Subject Map
Ask and you shall recieve.
From: Derek
Subject Map
Looking at the map, it's going to be a 5-mile hike just to get through the corridor on that last door.
From: Kevin
Subject Map
OK, nothing different. Just wanted to make sure.
From: Kevin
Subject Map
Can you say "Trap"?
From: Josh
Subject Weapons
Kal's got his sword out in his left hand with his right ready to cast.
From: Porter
Subject Onward
When Surin comes back, Mund whispers to him "Hey, I've been paying attention to how you're able to be so quiet while you walk. Well, I've been practicing, and I think I've gotten better. Listen to this."
Mund gingerly walks around Surin, showing how quiet he can be.. While not nearly as quiet as Surin is, Mund has definitely quieted the lumbering gate that the halfling had remarked on before.
From: Ashley
Subject Onward
Did Kal and Harp fight? No? TRAAAAP!!!
From: Ashley
Subject Onward
"Good job there, Mund. Maybe you can have a go at the next brazier, eh? I've certainly had enough practice at it here."
OOC: did Surin make out what the people were saying? If not, he'll listen in some more.